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General Election 2017

Conservatives
7
13%
Labour
29
54%
Liberal Democrats
9
17%
UKIP
1
2%
SNP
3
6%
Plaid Cymru
0
No votes
Green Party
0
No votes
BNP
0
No votes
English Democrats
1
2%
DUP
0
No votes
Sinn Féin
1
2%
Ulster Unionist Party
0
No votes
Respect Party
0
No votes
Monster Raving Loony Party
0
No votes
The Pirate Party UK
1
2%
Independent
0
No votes
Conservatory Party
0
No votes
Other
1
2%
No One
1
2%
 
Total votes: 54

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Re: Politics General

Post by OrangeRakoon » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:23 am

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Feels a bit dick knowing my vote'll be cancelled out by my own family in part, but hey, what can you do.
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Post by Robbo-92 » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:35 am

I'll probably go back to voting Lib Dem's, sadly it doesn't make much of a difference where I live as it's just about always been Labour, voted Tory last time as they stood the best chance of beating Labour but that didn't work so I'll go back to voting Lib Dem.

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Re: Politics General

Post by bort » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:59 am

if you ever feel like your vote is going to be wasted consider yourself lucky, last year the MP for my area set himself on fire and if he's running this year i can guarantee he's still going to win

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Re: Politics General

Post by Garf » Fri Apr 21, 2017 10:27 am

was his actions a result of being elected or something

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Re: Politics General

Post by Warmij » Fri Apr 21, 2017 3:12 pm

Well the way I see it is the country has two options

First option and definitely most likely:
The country decides to back a strong leader of a united, but fundamentally horrible party. Horrible government then proceeds to gooseberry fool the country up with a hard-right Brexit. Meanwhile, Labour rejects its toxic hard left takeover and installs a moderate, progressive liberal agenda in the leadership. Labour can then begin to improve its positioning, as well as gaining more favour with other progressive parties such as the Liberal Democrats. Possible workable coalition next GE that can attempt to fix the damage done.

Second option, incredibly unlikely and genuinely troubling:
The country decides to back a weak, commie leftist filth leader of a crumbling party. Government is perhaps propped up by a Liberal Democrat/SNP/Green progressive coalition (but said commie leftist filth leader and Lib Dem leader have ruled it out). Horrible government then collapses in on itself and we hold another election, at which point the country then decides to go for the first option. Meanwhile, Labour as a party collapses entirely in on itself, bleeding the progressive middle class vote to the Liberal Democrats, and the traditional working class vote to UKIP. And never shall the twain meet again, causing perpetual Tory rule.


Honestly, as a Labour supporter, although I will vote Labour in my area (due to my MP being a dickcunt, although he'll probably win again anyway) I'm not hoping for a Labour victory because I know it will be the end of progressive politics as we know it.

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Post by Spilskinanka » Sat Apr 22, 2017 10:58 am

corbyn's bad but i think option 2 is a bit excessive
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Post by Warmij » Sat Apr 22, 2017 11:07 am

Unless Labour gets a majority (of which there is 0 chance) then Labour can only win by forming some sort of deal with the Lib Dems. Which, considering the new ideological gulf between Corbyn and the Lib Dems would lead to an unsustainable government.

And it would be during this period that Labour voters would actually have to assess where their politics lie. The working class vote is already bleeding to the Tories and UKIP, and an unworkable government would reflect worse on Labour than the Lib Dems since they would be in main control and exacerbate this thoroughly. Then you have the progressive middle class...

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Post by Majin_Nephets » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:25 pm

Probably voting Lib Dem, but my area is a pretty secure Tory seat.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Bleachyleachy » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:12 pm

The political assassination of Corbyn is pretty unlike anything I've ever seen. Lots of people seem to hate him but I've never really heard much of an explanation as to why besides him not being especially charismatic or good for the camera. Would someone mind giving a tl;dr on what he stands for and if or why people are so mad at him? (Genuine question, not been following politics much recently but since we have another bloomin' election coming up)

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Re: Politics General

Post by Kappa » Sat Apr 22, 2017 2:49 pm

he became leader of labour after a landslide and proceeded to sit on his hands for two years despite being a very large national referendum happening last year. also has a habit of firing people he doesn't like in his shadow cabinet and now that an election has been called he is finally starting to speak words from his mouth which is funny because that is also a trait that two year olds also tend to have

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Post by Warmij » Sat Apr 22, 2017 5:18 pm

Stands for an outdated, regressive model of Socialism which decides to try to reach its target of equality by dragging the well off down, rather than bringing the poorest and most vulnerable up. Makes tons and tons of PR blunders whilst simultaneously believing he's doing a "great job" - he is deluded beyond belief. Pretty much blatant attempts at damaging the Remain campaign during the EU referendum (that he was supposedly supporting) by focusing more on criticisms of the EU than the positives during EVERY SINGLE rally he attended on the matter. Failing REPEATEDLY to score political goals on PMQs, by ignoring increasingly large criticisms of May during the relevant weeks, instead opting to focus on relatively minor targets (which, whilst would be normal subjects during most PMQs, is demonstrating a complete lack of political awareness).

Is so incredibly incompetent that, when trying to make a point about the overcrowded nature of trains in the country (which is to some extent true), can't actually find an overcrowded train, finds one with lots of reserved spots instead, goes ahead and ignores general train policy that state that people can sit in unoccupied reserved spots and sits on the floor, acting like the train is packed and films a video stating that it is "ram-packed", deliberately lying to the audience watching it at home.

Picks people like John "Fermenting the Overthrow of Capitalism" McDonnell (who literally threw Mao Zedong's Little Red Book across parliament) and Diane Abbott (who is so far to the left she genuinely believes that Chairman Mao "on balance did more good than harm" despite being responsible for the deaths of 45 million people) to be his most prominent allies in the media sphere. Does nothing about scum like Ken Livingstone until it's entirely too late (although him finally condemning Ken was a good thing, but it took him way too long).

In essence, he is a gooseberry fool terrible leader.

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Post by RichardUK » Fri May 05, 2017 10:28 pm

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Re: Politics General

Post by RainbowGazelle » Fri May 05, 2017 11:01 pm

SNP are still kicking the crap out of everyone else in Scotland. So, yeah, I'm happy enough. Sad to see just how many idiots voted for the Tory scum throughout the UK, though.
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Post by RichardUK » Sat May 06, 2017 12:00 am

The SNP and Nicola Sturgeon are losing a lot of support due to her obsession with Scottish independence, recent polls show that support for the Union is at 57%, it is looking like the Conservative party should win eights seats in Scotland in the general election, we won another 164 local council seats in Scotland whilst Labour lost 112 , I will be joining fellow supports and campaigners to make sure we the Conservative and Unionist Party get a historic landslide victory for the benefit of our country the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
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Post by JenovaPX » Sat May 06, 2017 12:13 am

No, recent polls have been swinging both ways each and every time they've been taken. The only thing that can be said on Scottish independence is that Scotland is very much divided on it, anyone trying to say that Scotland thinks one way or the other right now is basically talking out of their angel delight. Likewise, no, the SNP aren't losing a lot of support due to an "obsession" with doing what she was voted into power to do, they still have a strong, commanding domination in Scotland.

Similarly, don't use this election as a good tool to predict seats gained and lost in the GE. Local elections are known to be unrepresentative of GEs, at best they provide a barometer of things to come but beyond a vague notion of where voters are sitting you can't say stuff like "the Conservatives should win x seats here". Also no, a landslide victory isn't something that's in the favour of anyone Richard, even if you support a party you shouldn't hope for the ability for them to just steam roll any policies they want, it's quintessentially undemocratic and not in our interest.
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Post by D.J » Sat May 06, 2017 6:59 am

The only way to prevent a landslide victory is for there to be strong opposition, the trouble is, the opposition parties are nothing but a complete and utter shambles so it really does look as if such an outcome is almost inevitable.

The Labour leadership right now is such a disaster that no one in their right mind is gonna be voting for them come polling day. The UKIP vote has completely collapsed, and the Lib Dems are simply not making the gains they had hoped to.
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Re: Politics General

Post by Garf » Sat May 06, 2017 8:40 am

love the winners in my area being a bright pink colour, really lightens up the sea of blue that is Kent

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Post by LostNoob » Sat May 06, 2017 2:21 pm

The local elections were a gooseberry fool disaster for Labour.
Buckingham county council lost our only Labour councillor to a Tory who lied through his teeth all they way though the campaign.

Labour really is in a eton mess position right now, I'd be surprised if Labour gets 180 seats in June, it's just gooseberry fool depressing.

Whats more depressing, is that it could've been stopped, Labour members were warned that this would happen if Corbyn became leader, and they just called anyone who didn't support Corbyn red Tories.

And now, thanks to the Corbyn supporters, we are about to get one of the most vicious, right wing Tory governments in history, with a thumping great big majority, all because Labour members wanted "something to believe in"

And whats worse is that Corbyn thinks that he can carry on as leader after loosing Labour the election, fat gooseberry fool chance.
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Also no, a landslide victory isn't something that's in the favour of anyone Richard, even if you support a party you shouldn't hope for the ability for them to just steam roll any policies they want, it's quintessentially undemocratic and not in our interest.
This is true, as much as I loved New Labour, winning that landslide could just be the worst thing that happened to them.

They would not have gotten away with half the stupid eton mess they did, if they only had a majority of 30 or so.
Landslide majorities make governments lazy, they start making mistakes, it's not good for the party or the country for the Tories to win a landslide.
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Post by Majin_Nephets » Sat May 06, 2017 2:32 pm

Anyone still listening to polls after last year is kidding themselves.
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Re: Politics General

Post by LostNoob » Sat May 06, 2017 2:42 pm

The polls for Brexit and the US presidential election were both neck and neck, both within the margin of error.

This general election has the Tories between 10 to 20 points ahead.
Although there's a chance it could be closer than the polls suggest, perhaps the Tories only gain a few seats, but it's hardly margin of error.

The polls would have to be seriously off for a Labour win to be possible.
Not to mention that the local elections showed that the polls probably aren't far off anyway.

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Re: Politics General

Post by RainbowGazelle » Sat May 06, 2017 3:35 pm

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I will be joining fellow supports and campaigners to make sure we the Conservative and Unionist Party get a historic landslide victory for the benefit of our country the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland
If you truly believe the Tories are the best thing for the UK, then you are either a rich git who loves to see poor people suffer, or a complete moron. Have you ever opened your eyes and actually looked at what the scumbags have done to the UK historically?!
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Post by Met » Mon May 08, 2017 4:57 pm

Party "debates" announced
BBC wrote:The BBC has unveiled details of its election programmes - with Theresa May and Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn set to take part in Question Time specials.
David Dimbleby will host the programmes in which Mr Corbyn and Mrs May, the Conservative leader, will face audience questions consecutively on 2 June.

SNP leader Nicola Sturgeon and Lib Dem Tim Farron will appear on 4 June.

There will also be a live debate featuring senior figures from seven parties on BBC One on 31 May.
The debate from Cambridge, moderated by Mishal Husain, will feature Conservative, Labour, Liberal Democrat, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Green Party and UKIP people.
Disgusting that May and Corbyn refuse to take part in actual debates, honestly. May's argument about wanting to get out and connect with more voters in that timeframe makes no sense since this is a national event and Corbyn's faux-sense of chivalry in not debating an empty chair is just as nonsensical. Just cowardice on both sides.
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Post by Spilskinanka » Thu May 11, 2017 6:39 pm

was running over someone's foot part of their plan
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Re: Politics General

Post by Garf » Thu May 11, 2017 8:43 pm

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